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Re: Headers Come Tommorrow!!!

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1993 sle wrote:the trans died because......well i cant say i here people will get offended...it wasnt from the heat of the headers
I have a feeling it died due to natural causes, which were accelerated by a heavy right foot and extra power added :twisted: . Just my guess, LOL. :beerchug:
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That's the way they all should go lol
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The torque converter let go along with clutches and a few other internals. It would appear the main failure was TC related.
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Was this a stock trans? I don't see what could be so offensive about tranny failure.
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Opinions vary about the greatness of the 4T65's predecessor the 4T60.

The trans was a pretty recent rebuild.
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Well im gonna head home from school today and see if i can get this thing done over the next few days
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Also, in regards to the whole trans over heating, how expensive/worth it would it be to buy a trans cooler?
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Worth every penny.


You can get a SSEI trans cooler from the junkyard . Or you can pick up a universal one from most auto parts stores.
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You can buy a new B&M cooler for less than $100.
The installation is simple. :wink:
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Did you have one when you fried your first trans after headers oldsman?
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Yes. But I had ran without it for a while and my therory is that soem of the damage had already been done.
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Trans coolers? what kind of trans temps were you guys seeing before and after you installed these?
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It can normally reduce your Trani temp by 10 - 20 F
For every 10 F drop in temp, it will double the life of your trani. :wink:

Mine used to run about 20 F hotter than my coolant temp but now it's about the same.
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Double the life of your tranny? Of the clutches maybe but i don't see 10* cooler operating temperature doubling the life of a trans.
I've never seen mine go over 190 and even with an under drive water pump pulley my coolant stays within -/+ 5 of 180.
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Well the 10 F rule applies to the life of the fluid which can be directly related to the life of the trani. :wink:

My coolant runs at a constant 160 F and the trani never goes over 170 even on a hot day.
When I ran with the 180 stat, the trani temp would run about 10 F hotter and even saw 205 on a hot Oregon day.
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Ok every things installed and seems to be working....

I have a slight leak at the y pipe,but was expecting that.

Also, my ABS light came on twice for a couple seconds on the way home...
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2000Silverbullet wrote:For every 10 F drop in temp, it will double the life of your trani. :wink:
You are trying to say that if a person lowers there trans temp by 40 degrees they with quadruple the life of the trans? :bhuh: I'm kidding. Blackhawk wasn't a believer in changing fluid on his Bonnie and he sold the car with that same trans IIRC. Somona didn't run a cooler and made nearly 300,000 miles on his original. I ran a cooler and my trans only lasted to 176,000 miles.

Crunge, take a look at the wheel speed sensors and any wiring you may have gotten close to when working on the headers. Maybe something got bumped or pinched.
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2000Silverbullet wrote:
For every 10 F drop in temp, it will double the life of your trani.


You are trying to say that if a person lowers there trans temp by 40 degrees they with quadruple the life of the trans? I'm kidding.
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Ya, but but all kidding aside, if you follow that thinking if you lower the temp by about 80 degrees to room temperature it will blow out all the seals and won't last long at all.

As will all things, there is an optimum temperature above or below which will affect performance and life.

In my opinion that optimum temperature is 160 F
So the safe range would be 130 to 190 F but for every 10 F above or below 160 you will affect fluid life by the doubling or halving for every 10 F.
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headers= great success!

Along with the er rockers i feel a lot more power over 40mph

over all i am very pleased and hope the HV3 i bought helps even more
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Awesome, it is all about flow.

Headers, rockers, ....when are you going to do heads and cam? You know the bug has it's teeth in you.
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