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Would you rather get this one:
http://cgi.ebay.ca/PONTIAC-BONNEVILLE-F ... dZViewItem

or this one:?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... OTORS:1123

i would just build one or fab up a FWI

neither. get this one.

http://intense-racing.com/Merchant2/mer ... _Induction

both of those (specially the first) have a sharp un-needed bend, and horrible filters.

lewis26 wrote:neither. get this one.

http://intense-racing.com/Merchant2/mer ... _Induction

Lewis, that won't fit an L27. His TB is smaller than yours. He'll need to use the 3" FWI tubing, not the 3.5".


I agree that both kits posted above are garbage. Just about any CAI on ebay is.

Could do a high-flow air filter, re-route some ducting and call it a day.

But that's no fun at all...

OK, this is a bit off topic, but I'm not sure I've really ever seen this addressed before. I want to get an Intense FWI, and its on the list for future mods, but I'm not personally sure why I should do this, only that the club swears by it and I take that word for gold.

What are the bottom line reasons to do this upgrade? How will this influence performance and fuel economy? I understand the IDEA of getting cooler air with less restricted airflow, etc, but I don't know how that impacts performance.

Thanks.

to be honest, you will not notice much of a HP or TQ increase with just a FWI. You will get a SLIGHT mileage increase, but it is more of a supporting mod once you start flowing more air. but the sound alone was worth it for me :D

At least for 96-99 if you wanted more air and were not planning on doing much more the gutted air box/high-flow filter is inexpensive and easy to do.

Sounds all right when you get on it, too.

Although if you have your heart set on the FWI by all means go for it.

Rusgreim wrote:OK, this is a bit off topic, but I'm not sure I've really ever seen this addressed before. I want to get an Intense FWI, and its on the list for future mods, but I'm not personally sure why I should do this, only that the club swears by it and I take that word for gold.

What are the bottom line reasons to do this upgrade? How will this influence performance and fuel economy? I understand the IDEA of getting cooler air with less restricted airflow, etc, but I don't know how that impacts performance.

Thanks.

i don't have much experience with domestics but the intense intake is ribbed on the inside (isn't it?) which'll cause turbulence. might as well get some cheap flex tubing from spectre, slap a k&n on the end and you'll have the same effect for a fraction of the cost. i'm tuning my 95 maxima and got a $30 (shipped) cai from ebay which i modified a bit to make sure i don't lose on the bottom end and i think that is the best option - at least i know after logging where i am throughout the powerband.

btw you can get the rubber flex tube at a farm and ranch supply stores or a big rig parts store - they're pretty expensive per foot though.

Here we go once again.

allensteiner wrote:

Rusgreim wrote:OK, this is a bit off topic, but I'm not sure I've really ever seen this addressed before. I want to get an Intense FWI, and its on the list for future mods, but I'm not personally sure why I should do this, only that the club swears by it and I take that word for gold.

What are the bottom line reasons to do this upgrade? How will this influence performance and fuel economy? I understand the IDEA of getting cooler air with less restricted airflow, etc, but I don't know how that impacts performance.

Thanks.

i don't have much experience with domestics but the intense intake is ribbed on the inside (isn't it?) which'll cause turbulence. might as well get some cheap flex tubing from spectre, slap a k&n on the end and you'll have the same effect for a fraction of the cost. i'm tuning my 95 maxima and got a $30 (shipped) cai from ebay which i modified a bit to make sure i don't lose on the bottom end and i think that is the best option - at least i know after logging where i am throughout the powerband.

btw you can get the rubber flex tube at a farm and ranch supply stores or a big rig parts store - they're pretty expensive per foot though.

1. INTENSE tubing is far smoother on the inside than the outside. That is why they selected it for use. Do not judge it from the outside appearance without knowing more from those of us who have it. It's quite smooth on the inside, and is a proven performer.

2. A cheap spectre tube and filter will create an unshielded intake that sucks hot engine bay air. No comparison at all to a FWI which pulls the coolest possible air from the fenderwell, not the engine bay.

I think i'm just going to go with this one, nice and simple.

Getting a cold air intake that sucks up warm engine air is probably worse then the stock airbox. To make a cold air intake effective, it has to actually intake cold air. That is the best part about the intense FWI, that it sucks cold outside air from the fender.

The one you have posted will be sucking hot air from around the engine, and in my own opinion would be a complete waste of money.

Ebay intakes FTL.

Please don't buy that intake!

lewis26 wrote:Getting a cold air intake that sucks up warm engine air is probably worse then the stock airbox. To make a cold air intake effective, it has to actually intake cold air. That is the best part about the intense FWI, that it sucks cold outside air from the fender.

The one you have posted will be sucking hot air from around the engine, and in my own opinion would be a complete waste of money.

In tenses most likely wouldn't work for my car..

You would have to use the different size tubing.
I would call intense and see what they can do for you.

I just wouldnt recommend buying something that would most likely hinder your car's performance, but rather would recommend that you save your money until you can purchase a system that has been tried and true.

lewis26 wrote:Getting a cold air intake that sucks up warm engine air is probably worse then the stock airbox. To make a cold air intake effective, it has to actually intake cold air. That is the best part about the intense FWI, that it sucks cold outside air from the fender.

The one you have posted will be sucking hot air from around the engine, and in my own opinion would be a complete waste of money.

When the car is in motion, how is hot air going to flow forward? I think your right about it sucking in hot hair but it's only happening when your stopped? The forward progress of the car and the fan pushing air back would keep hot air from entering the filter...No/Yes?
Though, I would actually like to extend my intake a little to make sure I'm not getting any hot air.

That pic your posting is sucking up hot air when the car is moving. The ONLY way (unless you fab up a very well insulated system that gets cold air directly from the outside) to suck in outside temp air it to put the intake outside the engine bay, and the fender is the perfect place.

Your engine heats up the engine bay pretty fast. Ever felt your hood after running the car for a while? Just because there is a small amount of wind coming in, that air is still heated. Why else would GM make an air box that leads directly to behind the headlight? Why wouldn't they just put the filter directly on the throttle body? Your best solution is a FWI. I find that my FWI is always within 10* of ambient temps.