Car won't start/crank.

Series I L27 (1992-1994 SE,SLE, SSE) & Series II L36 (1995-1999 SE, SSE, SLE) and common problems for the Series I and II L67 (all supercharged models 92-99) Including Olds 88's, Olds LSS's, Olds 98 91-96, Buick Lesabres and Park Avenue 91-96. Please use General Chat for non-mechanical issues, and Performance and Brainstorming for improvements.
Post Reply
Bonnie98ssei
SE Member
SE Member
Posts: 15
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:46 pm
Year and Trim: 1998 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi

Car won't start/crank.

Post by Bonnie98ssei »

So I needed to get my harmonic balancer replaced so I figured while I was at it I'd replace my crankshaft position sensor since the car has been stalling on me and I heard thats usually the culprit.

So after I got both installed, I left the mechanic and came home everything running smooth.

Just went back to start the car, power came on but it will not even crank. I also noticed that the SECURITY light stays solid when I attempt to start the car. I've had my VATS bypassed already so what could be the problem?

Would have something to do with the crankshaft sensor? please help.
User avatar
RJolly87
Certified Bonneville Nut
Certified Bonneville Nut
Posts: 5403
Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 8:53 am
Year and Trim: 1993 Buick Park Avenue
1994 Buick Regal Custom
Location: Las Cruces, NM

Re: Car won't start/crank.

Post by RJolly87 »

If the security light stays on solid, and does not go out a few seconds after key on, you will want to double check your resister pack to make sure the resistance is still correct. It is possible that if, depending on how it is wired, one or more of the resisters may have failed, or come out of tolerance.

Would it have anything to do with what the mechanic did? It shouldn't, but I also don't know what all he did.
~Randall~
ImageImage

1993 Buick Park Avenue - 197k - Some odds and ends done - Simply won't die
1994 Buick Regal - 78k - Bone stock - Always ready for a good kicking
1990 Oldsmobile 88 - Gone to a better place
User avatar
sandrock
Retired Gearhead
Retired Gearhead
Posts: 4753
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 2:14 pm
Year and Trim: '00 SSEi (proj), '99 Tahoe & '05 Bonne GXP
Location: Orlando Fl
Contact:

Re: Car won't start/crank.

Post by sandrock »

That VATS bypass only works when the module is functioning correctly. If it's staying lit, there's a good chance the module is toast.

First, lets try the simplest thing. Take the key and rub it with alcohol (or hand sanitizer, which would be better since you can put a dab on, run the key through the ignition a few times to clean the contacts at the tumbler), then try again. Also see if the car will start in neutral instead of park.

If that fails, I know how to bypass all of that module for GOOD, but you'll need a relay and some extra wiring.
2005 GXP - White Gold Pearl, no mods...yet.
2000 SSEi - Resurrection in progress. Built L67 w/L32 fuel rail, ported heads, and cam. Camaro front brake system, GXP cluster, and much more in planning.
BonneMe wrote:Looks like a Volt, Sonata, and Taurus got it on.
User avatar
sandrock
Retired Gearhead
Retired Gearhead
Posts: 4753
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 2:14 pm
Year and Trim: '00 SSEi (proj), '99 Tahoe & '05 Bonne GXP
Location: Orlando Fl
Contact:

Re: Car won't start/crank.

Post by sandrock »

For the record...

Any VATS bypass does NOT bypass the VATS module...it only closes the loop for the resister pellet reading. A true bypass will take the module completely out of the loop.
2005 GXP - White Gold Pearl, no mods...yet.
2000 SSEi - Resurrection in progress. Built L67 w/L32 fuel rail, ported heads, and cam. Camaro front brake system, GXP cluster, and much more in planning.
BonneMe wrote:Looks like a Volt, Sonata, and Taurus got it on.
nicklikesmilk
Posts like an LN3
Posts like an LN3
Posts: 500
Joined: Thu May 22, 2008 9:27 pm
Year and Trim: 98 Oldsmobile Intrigue
Location: Whitewater, Wisconsin

Re: Car won't start/crank.

Post by nicklikesmilk »

Do you by chance have another key you could try? It might help narrow down the problem to VATS
1993 Park Avenue
200k, well-optioned, and running strong
Bonnie98ssei
SE Member
SE Member
Posts: 15
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:46 pm
Year and Trim: 1998 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi

Re: Car won't start/crank.

Post by Bonnie98ssei »

Thanks guys, dont know why but the car started up after 10 mins and hasnt done it all day since this morning. I will have to check my resistors this weekend.

Now I got to figure out this stalling problem. It usually happens at low rpm (around 1000) with my foot off the gas. Did it to me today on the highway. Since I just put a brand new crank sensor I've eliminated that possibilty. All my wires and plugs are new. Any ideas???
Last edited by Bonnie98ssei on Mon May 23, 2011 10:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
sandrock
Retired Gearhead
Retired Gearhead
Posts: 4753
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 2:14 pm
Year and Trim: '00 SSEi (proj), '99 Tahoe & '05 Bonne GXP
Location: Orlando Fl
Contact:

Re: Car won't start/crank.

Post by sandrock »

Was a CASE learn done on the car after the sensor was replaced?
2005 GXP - White Gold Pearl, no mods...yet.
2000 SSEi - Resurrection in progress. Built L67 w/L32 fuel rail, ported heads, and cam. Camaro front brake system, GXP cluster, and much more in planning.
BonneMe wrote:Looks like a Volt, Sonata, and Taurus got it on.
Bonnie98ssei
SE Member
SE Member
Posts: 15
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:46 pm
Year and Trim: 1998 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi

Re: Car won't start/crank.

Post by Bonnie98ssei »

sandrock wrote:Was a CASE learn done on the car after the sensor was replaced?

Not sure, what a case learn?
00Beast
Retired Site Developer
Retired Site Developer
Posts: 20960
Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 10:30 pm
Year and Trim: '17 Silverado 1500
Location: MN/IA
Contact:

Re: Car won't start/crank.

Post by 00Beast »

That's a no then. The CASE Learn (Crank Angle Sensor Error) basically allows the crank sensor to determine where the crank is and set timing from there. Go to your dealer, tell them you changed the crank sensor and that you need a CASE Learn. It takes 30 seconds with a Tech II and they'll charge you $20 for it. Unless you know someone with a tuner or a newer Aeroforce ScanGuage, which can do CASE Learns.
Bye Bye:
Image
RIP sandrock
Sirius wrote:Think about it. You’re tooling down the road in your Prius, knowing full-well that this thing being green is as big a sham as federally mandated ethanol-enriched gas, Russia pulling out of Ukraine, and Obamacare.
Bonnie98ssei
SE Member
SE Member
Posts: 15
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:46 pm
Year and Trim: 1998 Pontiac Bonneville SSEi

Re: Car won't start/crank.

Post by Bonnie98ssei »

00Beast wrote:That's a no then. The CASE Learn (Crank Angle Sensor Error) basically allows the crank sensor to determine where the crank is and set timing from there. Go to your dealer, tell them you changed the crank sensor and that you need a CASE Learn. It takes 30 seconds with a Tech II and they'll charge you $20 for it. Unless you know someone with a tuner or a newer Aeroforce ScanGuage, which can do CASE Learns.
Awesome thanks !!!!
Post Reply