ABS and Traction control?

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One more post :)
I´m having trouble with my brakes and traction too besides my brake lines...
Traction control engages almost all the time so I suppose there is something wrong with a sensor.
Both right and left hub has been changed so the fault must be something else.
Do I have to change my drive shafts?

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all 4 hubs were replaced? the back ones can cause a problem too. In order for traction control to work, it sees that the back wheels are turning slower than the front ones, and slows down the front ones. And in ABS, its the reverse, the computer sees the fronts are stopped, or going slower than the rears, and engages ABS. Unless all wheel speed sensors are working correctly, the system will fault.

Also, for the front ones, who made the replacements?
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Front hubs changed, will check who made them tomorrow.
Maybe I will need to find a shop and have the car hooked up to a computer...
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My new front hubs are made by AR-Tech, just checked that.
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How do I check my wheel speed sensors?
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Are all 4 tires the same brand, model, size, and mileage?
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Yes they are the same brand and size.
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Well then, back in the right thread.
Today I´ve checked my rear hub and it seems as my right one has rusted at the back where the speed sensor is located.
I tried to measure the output from it when turning the brake drum and I get less output from the right than the left so I hope I have found the problem.
Is it possible to have a fault like that and still no warning lights?

Next problem is getting that hub from the car, I took away the bolts but it´s really stuck.
Suggestions how to get it loose is appreciated.

If I pull the fuse and drive without ABS until I get my new hub, is there someway to turn of the warning lights without pulling the bulbs?
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Disconnect the large round black connector on the PMV assembly below the airbox, and leave the fuses in.

Put a small piece of black electrical tape on your dash over the lights for now.


I've never researched a home-grown technique for checking WSS's. To get a truly accurate representation, I'd expect you need an o-scope. Reading resistance would be just an average of the pulses from the sensor if it works like I think it does. I have a couple old hubs laying around, and I'm thinking it's time to cut into them and see how the mechanical side of the problem looks.
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Thanks!

The only problem is that I have to take the car to the yearly inspection we have here in Sweden and they don´t like warning lights that are on :(
Is it possible to remove the bulbs without taking the cluster out?
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Didn´t pass inspection today.
They won´t let it pass with the ABS system unplugged :(
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Mike 72 wrote:Didn´t pass inspection today.
They won´t let it pass with the ABS system unplugged :(
Couldn't you just hook it back up, deal with the issues to get past inspection and then limp home or somewhere close and unplug it again? Or do the inspectors actually drive your car to check it?
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They make a test drive, unfortunately :(
So now I need to get those new rear hubs as soon as possible, but I will buy them from USA as they are really expensive here...
Any suggestions where to get them at a fair price?
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