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So I know I'm not the only one who's jumped on the bandwagon.

I'd like to start a discussion of 3D printed parts used to replace/upgrade parts on cars, as well as what you've learned about using various materials in certains applications.

I'll start. Most of my filament is re-branded esun stuff.

PLA: I have no use for this directly. It's by far the most common and easiest to print. It's low glass transition temperature and melt temperature make it not very good for most functional applications under the hood. It does have one advantage, you can use it to make molds for aluminum and brass castings, but it does leave ash behind without post-processing. Needs a material fan "blowing" at the nozzle for small parts/overhangs.

Wax: Useful for making ash-free casting molds. But much more difficult to print than PLA. Nearly impossible with a 1.75mm hot end, which by design has a max OD of 1.8mm, where the 1.75mm nominal wax seems to vary from 1.68 to 1.83mm (I've only ever measured or tried one roll). Absolutely need to fine tune the bed and nozzle temperatures, must use a material fan "blowing" at the nozzle.

ABS: Learn to love it, build an enclosure, whatever it takes. Get the first layer to stick, and you're golden. It had great resistance to under-hood heat, doesn't appear to warp. I've been monitoring a test "clip" on my '97 Camaro for 8+ weeks now, it's clipped to the heater hose right above the header, no warp, hasn't fallen off in spite of *shoot* SE MI roads, etc. I had to resort to ABS juice to make it stick to the bed on my printer. One part, in fact, a 6" x 6" piece, ended up shattering the glass bed when it tried to warp, pulling up on the 10x10 glass that was secured at the corners. I've got a material fan "pulling' air from the nozzle, seems like it's just enough to cool off the ABS for overhangs without screwing up the layer adhesion.

PETg: Easy to love, prints like PLA with a material fan, similar physical characteristics as ABS, very good visual characteristics. Sounds like a dream recipie. However... NOT suitable for use in an engine bay. Parts will deform, fall off, etc. Appear to be very susceptible to residual stresses and/or creep below the glass transition temperature.


My biggest issue is engine bay reliability. My experience has been that ABS is the absolute minimum for use there with 3D printing. Other candidates may include PC-ABS, PC, Delron, nylon, and nGEN. But the trade-off seems to be warp during printing (causing failed prints). PETg seems to work for non-UV applications that will not achieve normal underhood temps.

That being said, what kinds of things have you done with 3D printing automotive parts? My prints have been mostly hose organizers and replacing broken 40 year old plastics:
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I haven't done any printing myself, however I did have a company work on a couple of projects for me. The product they used may be proprietary. It's called Endur RGD450. An excerpt from the data sheet is...

Endur is an advanced simulated polypropylene photopolymer offered in a bright white color, with improved toughness, increased dimensional stability and great surface finish.

Ideal for:
  • Reusable containers and packaging
    Flexible, snap-fit applications and living hinges
    Toys, battery cases, laboratory equipment, loudspeakers and automotive components
The printer they use will do horizontal build layers down to 16 microns (0.0006 inches). I'm guessing this material is liquid? I also don't know about how this material would stand up in the engine compartment. It definitely isn't as strong as traditional ABS but the company did say that the surface finish is much nicer than printing with ABS. It seems to be a great option for interior parts.
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ABS juice is a given when printing ABS. Some claim to use just hairspray for bed adhesion, but I have never had much luck with it. I don't think I've ever had a print lift when using juice.

I had a roll of ABS that measured as high as 1.93 and it fed fine. I've always thought most printers were spec'd to have 2mm bores. That's what the ID is for the PTFE tubing I know for certain. I'm not sure why your hot end is so close to 1.75mm. Either way wax is definitely more challenging to print with than PLA. PLA is a great material to learn with, but like you said not much practical application due to the lack of heat resistance. And also a bit more brittle than the other options.

PETg gets a fair amount of use around the shop. Really easy to print with and very durable. A little gooey/stringy, but I've just come to accept this as a given when using this material. Cleaning those up aren't much of a challenge. I haven't used this in a situation where heat will be an issue, so not much experience to the warping you mentioned on FB.

Side note from material selection, stainless steel nozzles are a good upgrade from brass. Not as good of a conductor, but they hold up longer, and can stand more heat from torching out nozzle jams. Brass can oval and deform if you're not careful.
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The Hexagon hot end that my printer uses has a really small stainless tube between the heating block and the cooling fins, helps control how much heat is transferred out of the block. I've already bought a second one, to try and bore that out to 1.9mm or so. I've also designed a dual extruder carriage (but that's a winter project).

RGD450 sounds like one of the materials we use at work for rapid prototyping, it's a liquid that is cured to a solid by a very fast, very tiny UV laser thingy. That route is actually not a bad idea if you only need a few one-off parts and you can find a shop that won't charge you the kind of money a business would have to pay for said prototype. All said and done, I'm $800 or so into mine, and the surface quality still needs work. So if you could get the few small parts you need for only a couple bucks then that's still reasonable.

Bed adhesion seems to be a very well debated topic. I'm working on an aluminum machine plate design to replace the glass bed on mine already. From what I've read a 1/4" machine plate has a nearly perfect heat distribution, compared to glass that is the exact opposite. I put a layer of aluminum foil down between my heater and the glass for now, that was the difference between the 6x6 piece lifting and shattering the glass (both with ABS juice).

Since you got me on this tangent, I've got three major upgrades planned for my 3D printer. First, I'll be replacing a lot of the wood parts with ABS or PETg parts. I'm working on a heat chamber design that fits inside the printer too. Second is the aluminum bed. Third is the dual extruder. I'm picky enough that I want to use a dissolvable support structure for my prints so I don't have to deal with poor surface quality on at the supports. The best part is that most of these parts can be 3D printed with what I already have.
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I don't have a 3D printer but I've wondered would it be possible to make model cars with it?
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Ha, that's a great idea....they don't make models of every car that I'd have liked to make one of...( My 65 Fury for example, the only think I could find was an expensive resin body ).
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Another example of a clip that broke on my truck, that I 3D printed an improved replacement part:

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As far as 3D printing a full model of a car, that is a reasonable affirmative 'yes'. The only difficulty is obtaining a 3D model for the body, such as from a video game, and importing that into a 3D modeling software to put the details in. It would be a bit of work, and you will be left with some post-processing to get a clean model, but it could be fun.

I am working on something for this winter that I think is going to be really cool. It requires the use of a dual extruder, which is part of my winter project for the year, and a 3D printable material that conducts electricity. So you know how the '92-'99 SSEi's have that nifty dash display that has a light-up area for the door ajar, headlamp monitor, etc? Well, I was thinking about 3D printing a model of the car, and make it so the actual part lights up. The problem is that 3D printing has limitations with very fine details. So the overall size might have to be larger depending on the detail you want.
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For the door lights, usually only the top lens clips break and some scotch tape will last 10 years or more.
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I've made silicon molds of things I've 3d printed, so that is a possibility for higher quality products. I just used a higher than usual wall thickness and smoothed it up (Could use acetone vapor bath with ABS) before making the mold. I haven't applied this to the Bonnie, but certainly could.
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