PENNY IS UNDEAD
- MattStrike
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Re: PENNY IS DEAD (motor swap?)
I'm not going to lie, I'm not hearing knock in the video. It sounds like the engine is firing during the compression stroke and beating on the starter.
I'll say it again, no babbit in the oil means no bearing problems, especially if it's been cranking all this time. There isn't much for oil pressure during cranking.
Edit:
Do you have a timing light? Use a dowel rod to find top dead center on piston #1 (through the plug hole), and make a mark on the balancer and a reference on the subframe or block that line up straight, i used a silver sharpie on my LG3 and the marks outlasted the oil pump.
Then, put everything back together and hook the timing light onto the #1 wire. Have someone operate the light while cranking. 0-10 degrees advance (about 1/2" between the marks) is acceptable for cranking. It shouldn't be erratic or firing before 10 degrees advance.
I'll say it again, no babbit in the oil means no bearing problems, especially if it's been cranking all this time. There isn't much for oil pressure during cranking.
Edit:
Do you have a timing light? Use a dowel rod to find top dead center on piston #1 (through the plug hole), and make a mark on the balancer and a reference on the subframe or block that line up straight, i used a silver sharpie on my LG3 and the marks outlasted the oil pump.
Then, put everything back together and hook the timing light onto the #1 wire. Have someone operate the light while cranking. 0-10 degrees advance (about 1/2" between the marks) is acceptable for cranking. It shouldn't be erratic or firing before 10 degrees advance.
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- nos4blood70
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Re: PENNY IS DEAD (motor swap?)
Ummm. I think you're right Matt. No metal flakes. I checked through all her oil that was drained today. Thank you for the advice.
So she runs. Upon finally starting there was a black smoke screen the size of a city block moving through my neighborhood. Then white smoke. She ran a bit rough but then it worked. The only quirks are, check engine light, high hissing noise regardless of the FWI is on or off, and a crazy vaccuum under the oil cap which affects the way the engine runs. Here come the videos.




So she runs. Upon finally starting there was a black smoke screen the size of a city block moving through my neighborhood. Then white smoke. She ran a bit rough but then it worked. The only quirks are, check engine light, high hissing noise regardless of the FWI is on or off, and a crazy vaccuum under the oil cap which affects the way the engine runs. Here come the videos.




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yonkerse
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
I believe the hissing is from the FWI...sounds about like mine at a cold start..
My car had "crazy" vacuum at the oil cap when my PCV Valve malfunctioned. I would swap that and see what happens.
How did you get it to fire?
My car had "crazy" vacuum at the oil cap when my PCV Valve malfunctioned. I would swap that and see what happens.
How did you get it to fire?
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
I had a huge smile on my face once I saw the title change! I hope it all works out well for you.
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
Thanks Seth and Eric.
I will get a new PCV and see what she does.
I will get a new PCV and see what she does.
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
We'll scan her again Sunday, but go ahead and swap the PCV, they're cheap anyway. We'll check codes when I see ya Sunday.
Will
91 Riviera | S2 L67 Swap/4T60E | 127K mi | Antelope Met. w/ Tan Int. | Saved From Death By Crusher
92 Bonneville SSE | L67/4T60E | 77K mi | Med Slate Grey w/ Two-Tone Grey Int. | Low Miles Time Capsule
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91 Riviera | S2 L67 Swap/4T60E | 127K mi | Antelope Met. w/ Tan Int. | Saved From Death By Crusher
92 Bonneville SSE | L67/4T60E | 77K mi | Med Slate Grey w/ Two-Tone Grey Int. | Low Miles Time Capsule
92 Lumina Z34 | LQ1/4T60E | 177k mi | Torch Red w/Grey Int. | Rusty In Odd Spots
99 Tahoe LT | L31/4L65E | 276k mi | Spiral Grey Metallic w/Grey Int. | Truck for Truck Things and Portable Concert Hall
02 Bonneville SSEi | 171k mi | Black w/Neutral Int. | Backup and road trip car
03 Park Avenue Ultra | 212K mi | White Diamond Met. w/ Shale Int. | Southern Time Capsule
05 Acura RL | 165K mi | Carbon Grey Pearl w/Ebony Int. | The Super-Hooptie Daily
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
Agreed, 61K is too young for L36!!sethjamesrimrodt wrote:I had a huge smile on my face once I saw the title change! I hope it all works out well for you.
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
AAAACCCK!!! What was the problem?!? It's going to drive me nuts not knowing!
Good work on getting it running again!
Good work on getting it running again!
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The Fleet:
'93 SSEi - Twincharged + manual Build thread
'97 Camaro - Top swap
'05 STS - V8, AWD, her DD
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'04 Sierra 2500HD - LLY Duramax
Current project:
Something cool, trust me.
Upcoming projects:
'92 Bonneville SSE
'87 LeSabre T-type
'67 LeSabre
Gone to greener pastures:
'84 Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 LeSabre - Top swap
RIP:
'86 LeSabre - pictures
'93 SE - L67

The Fleet:
'93 SSEi - Twincharged + manual Build thread
'97 Camaro - Top swap
'05 STS - V8, AWD, her DD
'92 Trofeo - Fair weather DD
'99 Montana - top swap 3800
'04 Sierra 2500HD - LLY Duramax
Current project:
Something cool, trust me.
Upcoming projects:
'92 Bonneville SSE
'87 LeSabre T-type
'67 LeSabre
Gone to greener pastures:
'84 Sierra Classic - Twin turbo 3800
'97 LeSabre - Top swap
RIP:
'86 LeSabre - pictures
'93 SE - L67
- nos4blood70
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
I honestly have no idea. I just kept cranking and cranking and cranking. O.o Tomorrow she'll get a new PCV.
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
Replaced the PVC today and I still get a vacuum coming into the oil filler hole. Car almost barely runs without the cap in place.
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
I really wanna see what codes she's spitting out before I say anything on this. Knowing Penny it's something completely random. 
Will
91 Riviera | S2 L67 Swap/4T60E | 127K mi | Antelope Met. w/ Tan Int. | Saved From Death By Crusher
92 Bonneville SSE | L67/4T60E | 77K mi | Med Slate Grey w/ Two-Tone Grey Int. | Low Miles Time Capsule
92 Lumina Z34 | LQ1/4T60E | 177k mi | Torch Red w/Grey Int. | Rusty In Odd Spots
99 Tahoe LT | L31/4L65E | 276k mi | Spiral Grey Metallic w/Grey Int. | Truck for Truck Things and Portable Concert Hall
02 Bonneville SSEi | 171k mi | Black w/Neutral Int. | Backup and road trip car
03 Park Avenue Ultra | 212K mi | White Diamond Met. w/ Shale Int. | Southern Time Capsule
05 Acura RL | 165K mi | Carbon Grey Pearl w/Ebony Int. | The Super-Hooptie Daily
91 Riviera | S2 L67 Swap/4T60E | 127K mi | Antelope Met. w/ Tan Int. | Saved From Death By Crusher
92 Bonneville SSE | L67/4T60E | 77K mi | Med Slate Grey w/ Two-Tone Grey Int. | Low Miles Time Capsule
92 Lumina Z34 | LQ1/4T60E | 177k mi | Torch Red w/Grey Int. | Rusty In Odd Spots
99 Tahoe LT | L31/4L65E | 276k mi | Spiral Grey Metallic w/Grey Int. | Truck for Truck Things and Portable Concert Hall
02 Bonneville SSEi | 171k mi | Black w/Neutral Int. | Backup and road trip car
03 Park Avenue Ultra | 212K mi | White Diamond Met. w/ Shale Int. | Southern Time Capsule
05 Acura RL | 165K mi | Carbon Grey Pearl w/Ebony Int. | The Super-Hooptie Daily
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
I was missing an O-ring in the assembly. The vacuum is now gone. Still has check engine light. This is cause she has to be cleared right?
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yonkerse
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
hmm....Getting codes will be best bet. Staying tuned until Sunday!!
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
Might need a reset, might be something else too. We shall see Sunday. Is she running perfect now?
Will
91 Riviera | S2 L67 Swap/4T60E | 127K mi | Antelope Met. w/ Tan Int. | Saved From Death By Crusher
92 Bonneville SSE | L67/4T60E | 77K mi | Med Slate Grey w/ Two-Tone Grey Int. | Low Miles Time Capsule
92 Lumina Z34 | LQ1/4T60E | 177k mi | Torch Red w/Grey Int. | Rusty In Odd Spots
99 Tahoe LT | L31/4L65E | 276k mi | Spiral Grey Metallic w/Grey Int. | Truck for Truck Things and Portable Concert Hall
02 Bonneville SSEi | 171k mi | Black w/Neutral Int. | Backup and road trip car
03 Park Avenue Ultra | 212K mi | White Diamond Met. w/ Shale Int. | Southern Time Capsule
05 Acura RL | 165K mi | Carbon Grey Pearl w/Ebony Int. | The Super-Hooptie Daily
91 Riviera | S2 L67 Swap/4T60E | 127K mi | Antelope Met. w/ Tan Int. | Saved From Death By Crusher
92 Bonneville SSE | L67/4T60E | 77K mi | Med Slate Grey w/ Two-Tone Grey Int. | Low Miles Time Capsule
92 Lumina Z34 | LQ1/4T60E | 177k mi | Torch Red w/Grey Int. | Rusty In Odd Spots
99 Tahoe LT | L31/4L65E | 276k mi | Spiral Grey Metallic w/Grey Int. | Truck for Truck Things and Portable Concert Hall
02 Bonneville SSEi | 171k mi | Black w/Neutral Int. | Backup and road trip car
03 Park Avenue Ultra | 212K mi | White Diamond Met. w/ Shale Int. | Southern Time Capsule
05 Acura RL | 165K mi | Carbon Grey Pearl w/Ebony Int. | The Super-Hooptie Daily
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
Perfectly perfect! And smoother than I remember before. Inside it's dead quiet. Almost eerie.
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
Like I said on the phone, disconnect the battery and let it sit a minute and then see if the SES light comes back. If it does we can always scan/reset it Sunday.
Will
91 Riviera | S2 L67 Swap/4T60E | 127K mi | Antelope Met. w/ Tan Int. | Saved From Death By Crusher
92 Bonneville SSE | L67/4T60E | 77K mi | Med Slate Grey w/ Two-Tone Grey Int. | Low Miles Time Capsule
92 Lumina Z34 | LQ1/4T60E | 177k mi | Torch Red w/Grey Int. | Rusty In Odd Spots
99 Tahoe LT | L31/4L65E | 276k mi | Spiral Grey Metallic w/Grey Int. | Truck for Truck Things and Portable Concert Hall
02 Bonneville SSEi | 171k mi | Black w/Neutral Int. | Backup and road trip car
03 Park Avenue Ultra | 212K mi | White Diamond Met. w/ Shale Int. | Southern Time Capsule
05 Acura RL | 165K mi | Carbon Grey Pearl w/Ebony Int. | The Super-Hooptie Daily
91 Riviera | S2 L67 Swap/4T60E | 127K mi | Antelope Met. w/ Tan Int. | Saved From Death By Crusher
92 Bonneville SSE | L67/4T60E | 77K mi | Med Slate Grey w/ Two-Tone Grey Int. | Low Miles Time Capsule
92 Lumina Z34 | LQ1/4T60E | 177k mi | Torch Red w/Grey Int. | Rusty In Odd Spots
99 Tahoe LT | L31/4L65E | 276k mi | Spiral Grey Metallic w/Grey Int. | Truck for Truck Things and Portable Concert Hall
02 Bonneville SSEi | 171k mi | Black w/Neutral Int. | Backup and road trip car
03 Park Avenue Ultra | 212K mi | White Diamond Met. w/ Shale Int. | Southern Time Capsule
05 Acura RL | 165K mi | Carbon Grey Pearl w/Ebony Int. | The Super-Hooptie Daily
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Re: PENNY IS DEAD (motor swap?)
I was in the exact same position with my 95 L67 about a month ago. Did a bunch of shopping and calling and decided on a combo that was supposedly 67,000, ran the VIN and all seemed ok. Drove three hours to pick them up ($1,200.00 for the pair) and brought em home. First thing we did was pull plugs, oil pan and ran compression check. #1 was oil fouled and #3 was consistently reading 25 PSInos4blood70 wrote:I would love to keep her going 10 years from now. I even found an L67 and trans combo for 800 dollars. 89k miles. Apparently he switched two ignition wires today and he got her running for 40ish seconds. But now I have just finished trying again and nothing...
Good luck with it, hope you're all ok and back down the road.
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
Check engine light went away today after a ride around the block. She seems to be operating normally at the moment.
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
Will scanned her today and all the codes are gone and are not returning. I think she's fixed. We'll see how she handles the next 1000 miles.
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Re: PENNY IS UNDEAD
Great to hear Carl! Hopefully she doesn't give you anymore trouble down the road!

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