Supercharged and octane
-
lou
- SLE Member

- Posts: 94
- Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:30 pm
- Year and Trim: 2002 SSEi
- Location: Maitland, Fl
Supercharged and octane
Can you feel the difference between the octanes? I ran regular for half a tank and feel the diffeence. No power, hybrids are passing me off the line. It was my first and last time.
- RJolly87
- Certified Bonneville Nut

- Posts: 5403
- Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 8:53 am
- Year and Trim: 1993 Buick Park Avenue
1994 Buick Regal Custom - Location: Las Cruces, NM
Re: Supercharged and octane
Few things you should be aware of before you experiment further. I have a preignition issue on mine when I run 86 octane, which is our 'regular'.
Willwren lost a piston on his Series 1 when 87 octane was put in his modified series 1, instead of 91.
Why is the engine down on power? Preignition. The air/fuel mixture explodes before the spark ignites it. How is this bad? Explosion coming down, piston coming up, the 2 hit, stuff gets broken.
Willwren lost a piston on his Series 1 when 87 octane was put in his modified series 1, instead of 91.
Why is the engine down on power? Preignition. The air/fuel mixture explodes before the spark ignites it. How is this bad? Explosion coming down, piston coming up, the 2 hit, stuff gets broken.
~Randall~


1993 Buick Park Avenue - 197k - Some odds and ends done - Simply won't die
1994 Buick Regal - 78k - Bone stock - Always ready for a good kicking
1990 Oldsmobile 88 - Gone to a better place


1993 Buick Park Avenue - 197k - Some odds and ends done - Simply won't die
1994 Buick Regal - 78k - Bone stock - Always ready for a good kicking
1990 Oldsmobile 88 - Gone to a better place
-
01bonneSC
- Certified Bonneville Nut

- Posts: 4938
- Joined: Sat May 24, 2008 5:18 pm
- Year and Trim: 05 Chevy 'Hoe
1997 'maro (3.8L M5)
89 SkiDoo - Location: Sycamore, IL
Re: Supercharged and octane
NEVER RUN AN L67 ON ANYTHING LESS THAN PREMIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
youll blow up your engine.....
youll blow up your engine.....
-
00Beast
- Retired Site Developer

- Posts: 20960
- Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 10:30 pm
- Year and Trim: '17 Silverado 1500
- Location: MN/IA
- Contact:
Re: Supercharged and octane
I've never run more than 3 gallons of regular through my SSEi's (Almost out of gas in a town w/ no prem) and I was babying it so I could get to a town w/ premium.
Let's put it this way: If you run regular and drive it above half throttle, you're putting yourself at a HIGH risk of engine failure. Knock Retard doesn't protect your engine, it's reactive, not pro-active...
Let's put it this way: If you run regular and drive it above half throttle, you're putting yourself at a HIGH risk of engine failure. Knock Retard doesn't protect your engine, it's reactive, not pro-active...
Bye Bye:

RIP sandrock

RIP sandrock
Sirius wrote:Think about it. You’re tooling down the road in your Prius, knowing full-well that this thing being green is as big a sham as federally mandated ethanol-enriched gas, Russia pulling out of Ukraine, and Obamacare.
- willwren
- Retired Admin

- Posts: 65489
- Joined: Sun May 18, 2008 11:07 pm
- Year and Trim: .
93 SSEi
95 SLE (SC)
97 Buick LeSabre - Location: Oregon WCBF'04, '05, '06, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11 Survivor
- Contact:
Re: Supercharged and octane
That's very bad news. Don't make a habit of that except in an emergency. You lost so much timing, your fuel mileage tanked. It's cheaper to run premium due to the higher mileage, and you won't damage your motor.

Click here for mod list for both cars
93 SSEi, 95 SLE (supercharged) 97 Buick LeSabre Limited
PontiacDad at WCBF '04: Cruise control? That's like surrendering!
Comprehensive guide to troubleshooting, rebuilding, and modifying Eaton Superchargers
-
lou
- SLE Member

- Posts: 94
- Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:30 pm
- Year and Trim: 2002 SSEi
- Location: Maitland, Fl
Re: Supercharged and octane
I only did it once because thats all the place had at the time. I was in the middle of nowwhere and needed gas. All they had was 87 and 91 but the 91 was out of order. I thought to use a little less than half a tank because I it was all highway back to the house but when I got into town I felt a difference. I filled up with 91 and everything is fine.
- GonneVille
- Certified Bonneville Nut

- Posts: 3863
- Joined: Tue May 20, 2008 7:07 pm
- Year and Trim: 1998 Buick Park Avenue Ultra
- Location: Galloway, Ohio IDDVI, MWBF05, NEBF06, CEBF06, ONBF06, NEBF07, ONBF07
- Contact:
Re: Supercharged and octane
I had to fill up my PAU in NJ once. The guy at the pump was not at all happy about me watching him like a hawk, and then snapping at him when he selected regular after I told him premium. I talked him through it like a kindergartener. By the time the tank was full, I think he wanted to punch me.
-
keir
- SSEi Member

- Posts: 168
- Joined: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:27 pm
- Year and Trim: 2000 ssei
- Location: Phila.Pa.
Re: Supercharged and octane
Interesting and scary....I have rarely put anything other than 87 octane in my SSEI in the three years that I've had it.
Black 91 SSE-Where it all started....
Red 95 Grand Prix SE-Gone but not forgotten....
Grey 00 SSEI -The current daily driver.
Dark Grey 2011 Dodge Charger-The new flagship.
Red 95 Grand Prix SE-Gone but not forgotten....
Grey 00 SSEI -The current daily driver.
Dark Grey 2011 Dodge Charger-The new flagship.
-
00Beast
- Retired Site Developer

- Posts: 20960
- Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 10:30 pm
- Year and Trim: '17 Silverado 1500
- Location: MN/IA
- Contact:
Re: Supercharged and octane
Well then it's time to change your habits NOW, before it's too late. You must not drive your car very hard...
Bye Bye:

RIP sandrock

RIP sandrock
Sirius wrote:Think about it. You’re tooling down the road in your Prius, knowing full-well that this thing being green is as big a sham as federally mandated ethanol-enriched gas, Russia pulling out of Ukraine, and Obamacare.
-
01bonneSC
- Certified Bonneville Nut

- Posts: 4938
- Joined: Sat May 24, 2008 5:18 pm
- Year and Trim: 05 Chevy 'Hoe
1997 'maro (3.8L M5)
89 SkiDoo - Location: Sycamore, IL
Re: Supercharged and octane
keir wrote:Interesting and scary....I have rarely put anything other than 87 octane in my SSEI in the three years that I've had it.
-
keir
- SSEi Member

- Posts: 168
- Joined: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:27 pm
- Year and Trim: 2000 ssei
- Location: Phila.Pa.
Re: Supercharged and octane
I guess I'd better start using the premium then.
Black 91 SSE-Where it all started....
Red 95 Grand Prix SE-Gone but not forgotten....
Grey 00 SSEI -The current daily driver.
Dark Grey 2011 Dodge Charger-The new flagship.
Red 95 Grand Prix SE-Gone but not forgotten....
Grey 00 SSEI -The current daily driver.
Dark Grey 2011 Dodge Charger-The new flagship.
- willwren
- Retired Admin

- Posts: 65489
- Joined: Sun May 18, 2008 11:07 pm
- Year and Trim: .
93 SSEi
95 SLE (SC)
97 Buick LeSabre - Location: Oregon WCBF'04, '05, '06, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11 Survivor
- Contact:
Re: Supercharged and octane
You've already started damaging the motor. How bad is the question. Your rings and ring grooves in the pistons are already eroding. Your main and rod bearings have probably also suffered.

Click here for mod list for both cars
93 SSEi, 95 SLE (supercharged) 97 Buick LeSabre Limited
PontiacDad at WCBF '04: Cruise control? That's like surrendering!
Comprehensive guide to troubleshooting, rebuilding, and modifying Eaton Superchargers
-
keir
- SSEi Member

- Posts: 168
- Joined: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:27 pm
- Year and Trim: 2000 ssei
- Location: Phila.Pa.
Re: Supercharged and octane
Well,I do live in the city and there is either a light or a stop sign at every corner so I don't really push it in those areas.I do get onto the interstate and turnpike from time to time and succomb to the temptation to open her up.So,with this possibe damage that has beem mentioned,besides switching the gas, what else do you guys suggest that I do?
Black 91 SSE-Where it all started....
Red 95 Grand Prix SE-Gone but not forgotten....
Grey 00 SSEI -The current daily driver.
Dark Grey 2011 Dodge Charger-The new flagship.
Red 95 Grand Prix SE-Gone but not forgotten....
Grey 00 SSEI -The current daily driver.
Dark Grey 2011 Dodge Charger-The new flagship.
-
00Beast
- Retired Site Developer

- Posts: 20960
- Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 10:30 pm
- Year and Trim: '17 Silverado 1500
- Location: MN/IA
- Contact:
Re: Supercharged and octane
Pray. That's about all you can do.keir wrote:Well,I do live in the city and there is either a light or a stop sign at every corner so I don't really push it in those areas.I do get onto the interstate and turnpike from time to time and succomb to the temptation to open her up.So,with this possibe damage that has beem mentioned,besides switching the gas, what else do you guys suggest that I do?
Bye Bye:

RIP sandrock

RIP sandrock
Sirius wrote:Think about it. You’re tooling down the road in your Prius, knowing full-well that this thing being green is as big a sham as federally mandated ethanol-enriched gas, Russia pulling out of Ukraine, and Obamacare.
-
keir
- SSEi Member

- Posts: 168
- Joined: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:27 pm
- Year and Trim: 2000 ssei
- Location: Phila.Pa.
Re: Supercharged and octane
I'll do that then because I'm not ready to get another car just yet.....Like I said, there have been no problems thus far but this makes me rethink some of the things I had been contemplating doing to the car.
Black 91 SSE-Where it all started....
Red 95 Grand Prix SE-Gone but not forgotten....
Grey 00 SSEI -The current daily driver.
Dark Grey 2011 Dodge Charger-The new flagship.
Red 95 Grand Prix SE-Gone but not forgotten....
Grey 00 SSEI -The current daily driver.
Dark Grey 2011 Dodge Charger-The new flagship.
-
1oldman
- Certified Bonneville Nut

- Posts: 3975
- Joined: Tue May 04, 2010 11:21 pm
- Year and Trim: 2017 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport
- Location: Lone Star State
Re: Supercharged and octane
I don't know of any gasoline powered vehicle that is super-charged that will run properly on anything lower than 91 octane. You're extremely fortunate that you didn't have to get out the broom and dustpan to sweep up you engine out of the street. and might have to do it anyway, let's hope not. - BC
In Memory of Brad - 1/21/1977 .. 10/23/2013 ...... Aaron - 1977 .. 2017 .....
2017 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport ..... 1992 Bonneville SSE 1SB 170 HP L27 4T60E retired/sold to MattStrike ..... 2005 Bonneville SE 1SC 205 HP L36 4T65E - retired/salvage yard ..... PBCF user 2321
2017 Hyundai Santa Fe Sport ..... 1992 Bonneville SSE 1SB 170 HP L27 4T60E retired/sold to MattStrike ..... 2005 Bonneville SE 1SC 205 HP L36 4T65E - retired/salvage yard ..... PBCF user 2321
- willwren
- Retired Admin

- Posts: 65489
- Joined: Sun May 18, 2008 11:07 pm
- Year and Trim: .
93 SSEi
95 SLE (SC)
97 Buick LeSabre - Location: Oregon WCBF'04, '05, '06, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11 Survivor
- Contact:
Re: Supercharged and octane
If you're not a 'spirited' driver, you might get away with it. Keep in mind your car was capable of far better fuel mileage all along. It would have been cheaper to run the premium from the start.

Click here for mod list for both cars
93 SSEi, 95 SLE (supercharged) 97 Buick LeSabre Limited
PontiacDad at WCBF '04: Cruise control? That's like surrendering!
Comprehensive guide to troubleshooting, rebuilding, and modifying Eaton Superchargers
-
lou
- SLE Member

- Posts: 94
- Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:30 pm
- Year and Trim: 2002 SSEi
- Location: Maitland, Fl
Re: Supercharged and octane
I agree 100%. I get better gas mileage with premium and it`s ALOT peppier. It might cost more on a daily/weekly basis compared to one time high cost repair due to the use of low octane.willwren wrote:If you're not a 'spirited' driver, you might get away with it. Keep in mind your car was capable of far better fuel mileage all along. It would have been cheaper to run the premium from the start.
-
keir
- SSEi Member

- Posts: 168
- Joined: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:27 pm
- Year and Trim: 2000 ssei
- Location: Phila.Pa.
Re: Supercharged and octane
I've been very lucky then.I bought the car at a used car lot and the dealer likely gets his cars from an auction.I don't know if the previous owners have even used the proper octane but I will sure start with my next fill up.
Black 91 SSE-Where it all started....
Red 95 Grand Prix SE-Gone but not forgotten....
Grey 00 SSEI -The current daily driver.
Dark Grey 2011 Dodge Charger-The new flagship.
Red 95 Grand Prix SE-Gone but not forgotten....
Grey 00 SSEI -The current daily driver.
Dark Grey 2011 Dodge Charger-The new flagship.
-
lou
- SLE Member

- Posts: 94
- Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:30 pm
- Year and Trim: 2002 SSEi
- Location: Maitland, Fl
Re: Supercharged and octane
The kid that I bought the car from ran cheap gas. After 2 fill ups of premium I felt and seen the difference.



