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Rice Pipe Introduction

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:23 am
by BonneMe
This thread is to discuss building, using, modifying a genuine Rice Pipe intake. This is a great intake option for some cars, one of the cheaper "accepted" or "real" ones out there.

At your local Autozone you can find an intake pipe for a 92-00 Honda civic/94-00 Acura Integra. It's around $40 and in some blister packaging. It's is 3" in diameter, and has about a 45* bend. It has two IAT places, one is a metal pipe, that extends from the bend, the other is a hole next to it. The hole is slightly too big for our IAT, it will fall out, and duct tape will not work (tried). Using the metal pipe, with supplied rubber hose will work, but there's a better place. K&N X-stream filters include an IAT hole, which is where the IAT would be in the stock airbox, right in the filter. Other filters can be drilled for this as well.

The supplied reducer may work as a velocity stack. It actually gets smaller where it's suppsed to hook up. You could run it into the TB while still running a clamping reducer on top of it and the TB. You'll need to pull ou the TB MAF screen for this. I haven't tested this at all, but it may give good airflow.

The reducer/coupler you see here is a Samco sport one (http://www.samcosport.com) It's silicone, and is the best thing for our intakes. Silicone reducers will flex, allowing a harder mount to the airbox area, where the silicone will soak up engine flex to a degree. You can also use a Generic 3" hose clamp. I bought one, but scavenged it for it's clamps when I got my hands on the Samco. Either will work.

I haven't finished a box solution yet, and it will be a few weeks before I'm able to build anyways.

Your filter options are the ricer filter @ the store (available in 3 colors) and any Generic 3" ID cone filter. The best option is the K&N RX-4750. Many members here are running them, and Mine is sitting @ my dorm waiting for me to pick it up. The pipe angles very nicely to corner of the engine bay, where the best air is. It may need some slight adjusting on SSE/SSEi with the double washer bottle.

You'll need to cut 2-3" of the long part of the pipe. Measure it and then cut for placing the filter as close to the headlight/corner as possible. The best air is there, and it's furthest from the engine. Keep Engine Torque/flex in mind while positioning it. Keeping the filter 1-1 1/2" from the edge is a good median.

Here's a pic of just the pipe installed, and one of the area with no filter. Both are after cutting 2-3" off. Took me 8 minutes to cut thru it, with an Old hacksaw in smellbirds garage.

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Impressions after dealing with the CAI for 2000 miles in 5 days?

Impressions
WOW. I never thought it would be like this. My car has the n10 GM Highflow exhaust, and that got much louder, along with the intake noise, and engine roar. I have a few videos back @ school i'll be able to post sunday night or monday of it. The power increase was substantial to say the least, and the milage shot up with premium over the stock airbox with midgrade. The car has a totally different feel, spinning tires takes no effort at all. My butt says about 20 HP, and it's believable.

The filter we used on the trip was Ol'BlueEye'sBonne's off his 99 ssei. He's already tossed it, it was shot. I had to give it back to him, for the ride home, so I've since gone back to the stock airbox. The car is about 1/3 of the volume (engine and exhaust combined) of what it used to be, and it's noticably slower. My milage has suffered as well. I can't wait to pick up my new filter on sunday night or monday and slap it in. :wink: If it was that good with the worst filter i've ever seen, i can't imagine a brand new X-Stream...

Revisiting this topic after a few YEARS
I've since also built a heatsheild, this is not covered in this topic, due to the vast differences between cars. This is just as important as the intake itself!

Re: Rice Pipe Introduction

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 6:34 pm
by MaxNismo
nice wright up man!

20hp...probably 10 at most at the peak unless i'm mistaken...then again you changed two variables at once so it's hard to say what did what and to what degree...

"butt dynos are like drunk one night stands. it always seems better then it really is." -annon i forget who i heard this from but it's so true

good job!

love the GTI!

Re: Rice Pipe Introduction

Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:58 pm
by BonneMe
MaxNismo wrote:nice wright up man!

20hp...probably 10 at most at the peak unless i'm mistaken...then again you changed two variables at once so it's hard to say what did what and to what degree...

"butt dynos are like drunk one night stands. it always seems better then it really is." -annon i forget who i heard this from but it's so true

good job!

love the GTI!
'twas written a long time ago.

All I know is when I went from the pipe + worst filter ever, back to stock setup, I could not spin them from a dig. When It came back on with a brand new & massive K&N RX-4750 , they would break free again. The OEM setup had a filter with less than 5k on it.

Re: Rice Pipe Introduction

Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:02 am
by Bugsi
To add to the thread with another write-up / how-to for the same parts:

Auto Zone pipe part # 8219 $42.00 (cut down by 4")

K&N RX-4750 from AJ USA $49.00
http://www.ajusa.com/cgi-bin/knfilters/ ... 373051b38a

Silicone 4" - 3" reducer part number PWRR40-300/400 $26.00
http://www.pwr-performance.com/coupler.htm

$117.00 for parts and about 2 hours to install.
I used a hot soldering iron to slightly enlarge the air intake temp sensor hole in the K&N filter, based on other people saying that worked well. It did.

Before starting project:
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Stock airbox removed (and old sticker):
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The Autozone rice pipe:
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I used a hacksaw to cut off about 4" off the pipe. Deburred with emery paper and a file. 4" to 3" silicone reducer is attached:
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The cut-down intake with the air filter, air intake temp sensor, and the lengthened wiring for the temp sensor:
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The lengthened temp sensor wiring installed and split-loomed into the wiring harness:
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Temp sensor plugged into the K&N filter:
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Installed closeup, read "extra info" section below for note on Reflectix shield:
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The completed intake installed. Engine cover is off:
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All finished and buttoned up:
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Extra info: The pathetic piece of Reflectix that I slid onto the pipe was essentially useless and shortly thereafter I removed it completely. Most members build a box around their air filter so that it sucks cold, fresh air from the opening behind the driver-side headlight. Other members have very good pictures of their custom airboxes, and I refer you to them for the methods of construction.

For me, I don't race, my Bonneville is a daily driver, and I don't think I will ever make use of the additional benefits of closing off the filter for a true "Cold" air induction. Also, for California, I need to replace my original equipment airbox every other year to pass smog, and the current setup is easy to swap out.

-Mark

Re: Rice Pipe Introduction

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 2:34 pm
by nicklikesmilk
i know there was tons of info about this topic on the old forum, and this one is just getting started.

anyway, i just installed a rice pipe, and filter (tight fit in my 96 with the PCM location), but my filter is RIGHT next to the upper rad hose(in fact, the filter actually rubbed on it, i can see scuff marks on the hose), so it's only a cold air intake when i first start driving and the car isn't warm.

i'd like more info on the heat shield. i know willwren always suggested using some plastic-like material that anyone could pick up from home depot? i'd like a good heat shield on my new intake. so maybe someone could elaborate on that?

Re: Rice Pipe Introduction

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:00 pm
by 00Beast
nicklikesmilk wrote:i know there was tons of info about this topic on the old forum, and this one is just getting started.

anyway, i just installed a rice pipe, and filter (tight fit in my 96 with the PCM location), but my filter is RIGHT next to the upper rad hose(in fact, the filter actually rubbed on it, i can see scuff marks on the hose), so it's only a cold air intake when i first start driving and the car isn't warm.

i'd like more info on the heat shield. i know willwren always suggested using some plastic-like material that anyone could pick up from home depot? i'd like a good heat shield on my new intake. so maybe someone could elaborate on that?
The box is most definitely going to push/rub on the upper rad hose, so i don't know. All the K&N intakes I've seen have a metal box that seals itself to the hood, only open on the front when hood is closed, open on top and front with hood open. Hope this helps

Re: Rice Pipe Introduction

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 12:58 am
by nicklikesmilk
yeah, i'm not worried about stuff touching the rad hose, or the filter. i just don't want it sucking in warm air from the engine bay, and i don't really have the means (nor any idea how to) make a heat shield.
mine's not a K&N. my buddy from work gave it to me for free cuz he already had one. so it didn't have a built in heat shield or anything

Re: Rice Pipe Introduction

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:27 am
by calaeb0896
So what are you supposed to do if you have what ever the is next to the air box. im pretty much a noob so i dont know what is called, but i have something blocking where the pipe would go (if i had the pipe) its like a computer type thing.

Re: Rice Pipe Introduction

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:02 am
by tpulliam79
heres a link to a way to do the heatshield this is on my 96 ssei
http://www.pontiacbonnevilleclub.com/fo ... f=12&t=347

heres a link to relocate pcm for more room.. very easy
http://www.pontiacbonnevilleclub.com/fo ... f=12&t=350

hopefully that will help :)

Re: Rice Pipe Introduction

Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:38 pm
by nicklikesmilk
calaeb0896 wrote:So what are you supposed to do if you have what ever the is next to the air box. im pretty much a noob so i dont know what is called, but i have something blocking where the pipe would go (if i had the pipe) its like a computer type thing.
yeah, it IS the computer, or more properly, the powertrain control module (PCM). i have the same layout as you, so i have the same problem. i'm gonna look at it today, and try tpulliam79's method of moving the PCM. i just hope it will work, cuz he has an SSEi, and i just have and SE.

Re: Rice Pipe Introduction

Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:08 pm
by 94SilverSSEi
I need to do this to my car

Re: Rice Pipe Introduction

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:16 pm
by Bugsi
94SilverSSEi wrote:I need to do this to my car
Holy old thread, Batman! -Was that post necessary?

Re: Rice Pipe Introduction

Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 1:21 pm
by Gumball
I agree with Bugsi

94 silver, please keep in mind how old a thread is before you dig it up from the dust.
this one is over a year old.