93 ssei Trans gets warm and won't shift

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93 ssei Trans gets warm and won't shift

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I can drive the car for about 20-30 mins before the car simply refuses to shift. After getting the transmission cooling lines replaced ($200 bucks down the tubes-literally :evil:). Took it to a mechanic and he said it's probably the clutches in the transmission. Is he right or is there an issue that only applies to bonnies that I should be aware of? I only paid $500 for the ride so I'll buy another ride before I pay for the work.

I hope there's a cheap fix so I can keep this great car for just a little while longer.
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Re: 93 ssei Trans gets warm and won't shift

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After a short drive, inspect your trans fluid for:

1. Level
2. Color
3. Smell

Please describe all 3.
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1. Level is full
2. Color is not brand new clear red, but not muddy either
3. Does not smell foul
Maybe some photos would help

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How about a pic of it on your dipstick or a white napkin or paper towel after about 10 minutes of driving? Hard to see on that cloth.
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I'll try to get something today if I can, thanks for the help.
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I Talked to a second mechanic, and he confirmed the clutches are bad. I've recently come across someone that could install a new transmission for pretty cheap. Since I'd spend about $2k on a new ride, I might consider buying a used or rebuilt transmission and having him install it. Which transmission do I need?

...or should I just put the Bonnie out to pasture.
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Re: 93 ssei Trans gets warm and won't shift

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As willwren said, it would be helpful to spot your transmission fluid onto some kind of white napkin or paper towel. And even better, spot a fresh drop of new transmission fluid right next to it.

Bill Buttermore has just published an article in the TechInfo section of this website under "Care and Feeding" on transmission maintenance. For not much more than the cost of 6 quarts of fresh transmission fluid and a new filter, you can renew half the fluid in your transmission and maybe revitalize the rest of the fluid in your transmission.

According to Dave Norris (a professional transmission rebuilder that we know of), fresh transmission fluid can reduce friction in the friction-active areas of your transmission (sometimes more than you'd like, though). But if you only replace half the fluid, that's a good compromise. (All this assumes that your friction plates have gotten "sticky" and not just worn off. You may get some better idea of what's happened to your trans once you've dropped the pan and looked at what's collected in the bottom of it and on the magnet. Here, pics of your trans pan sludge posted back to your thread would help the "gearheads" advise you on your problem.)

That's likely to be the only low-cost "fix" that could possibly work. The chances are low that it will help, but the cost is low too.

If you decide to get a refreshed transmission, I would look up Dave Norris. Just post back and I will dig up his website for you.
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i probably won't be able to do any spotting till this weekend, and since I live in an apartment, I can't look at the transmission pan, because it's against our lease to work on our cars here.

Most definitely interested in the Dave Norris stuff too.
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Ok, understood.

The web site for Dave Norris is:

tripleedgeperformance.com

Dave is highly regarded by one of our own members, who very expertly rebuilds GM transmissions on an "amateur" basis (meaning he's extremely good, but doesn't sell his products). After reading Dave's website, and also communicating with him personally, I am also very impressed. Dave is active in a Grand Prix forum.
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I checked out that site, though it looks like he only rebuild 4T65e trans. Do you know if they do 4T60e HD transmissions?
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I don't.

Best thing is to email him through his site. He will answer you right back.

If he can't fit you up with something, he might be able to set you in the right direction.

We also have our own gearheads and admins (like "willwren"), who use and have replaced your type of transmission.

Also check out "TechInfo". And do some searching in our forums for information. Also, our admins don't care if you join any other club forums.

You might want to start a new thread inviting advice on what options you have for a fresh trans.

You could also try the "wanted" forum in this website.

The 4T60-e HD trans was also used (I think) in supercharged Buicks and Olds as well.

Don't hesitate to communicate. That's what these forums are for.
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